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Old 25 April 2007
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Default Honda wind tunnel to blame

In which way is possible that a big team as Honda, with a good budget, can be wrong in so great way the aerodynamic matter?

Formula 1 : News HONDA - F1-Live.com

Honda tunnel wind is defective ??
Yes is a joke but can be really possible a error so big from technicians?

Who knows how many times of tunnel wind have done the Honda aerodinamic guys.

As you explain this beginning of championship so difficult to the technical point of view for a team as Honda? Only aero problem indeed?

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Old 27 April 2007
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The difficulty for any aerodynamicist is to make their test results match those on the track. This correlation is far from straight forward, both CFD and tunnels are from true representations of the real world.

Honda (Nee B.A.R) have run their original tunnel for many years, the open jet design had it draw backs but under Geoff Willis and Willem toet, the team got the test results matching those on track. They now have a new tunnel and this uses a different test section (adaptive wall..?) and measuring equipment. Getting this matching the original tunnels tests and to that on track will take time. Williams have suffered similar issues with their second tunnel. Its not surprising that Toyota have planned a new tunnel identical to that of the old one, this should limit differences.

Aside from the issue of calibrating the tunnel, Both tunnels and CFD can sometimes give results different to those on track. When Toyota started in f1 they struggled at tracks with bumps and high kerbs. Of course the team looked deeply into the suspension set up, the problem eventually was found to be an unexpected vortex coming off the front wing endplate when going over kerbs and big bumps, causing a huge loss in downforce. This wasn’t shown up on the test results, as that specific attitude never gets tested.

I think Honda have found a aerodynamic concept around their front end that is fundamentally flawed. The teams cars for a few years have struggled with their front ends. So in some respect this problem pre-dates the new tunnel. I have spoken to Jacky Eeckelaert and the team are working through the issue systematically, testing the model and full size car in the tunnel, as well as instrumented run with the car on track. Finding the problem could take months or moments, Simply going off and redesigning a new front end without finding the root cause could come back to haunt them if the same design mistake is repeated.
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Hello everybody,
I was far from the forum since some time,
is a hard working time from one month and was difficult to find some spare time.

I absolutely agree with Scarbs, due some approximation, the hardest part is to match result from simulation (CFD & wind tunnel), with the track data and calibrating the tunnel is not an easy job.

Don't forget that Honda had a big reshuffle in its technical dept. during last months and maybe they had paid this . . .
I think that it is only a question of time, and they can re-join the big teams . . . .

LMcQ

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