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Old 05 November 2006
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I have comments about this article.

● It is encouraging to see the creation of solid models of special interest vehicles. I would love to see the 56 Ford F100 recreated similarly.

● The students have drawn no stamped steel body parts so far. The representation of sheet metal body parts with compound curves is something taught in the Vehicle Design courses at Macomb Community College. I wonder if and when they get to that phase.

● I would imagine a number of the body parts are larger than can be produced on the rapid prototyping machine.

● HFCC or the Model T Heritage Complex may have some funding for this project.

● There is no mention of the brand of software used, SolidWorks, SolidEdge, ProEngineer, Inventor?


2006-10-30 TECH CENTER NEWS - WARREN, MICHIGAN

Warren Students Apply New Techniques to Old Car by Kyle Lohmeier, Staff Reporter

While the most modern technologies are applied to automotive design and manufacturing today, the automobile is not a new invention - a fact that’s been made remarkably clear to a handful of advanced drafting students in Richard Ranks’ drafting class at Lincoln High School in Warren, who have been drawing three-dimensional parts for the original Ford Model T using state-of-the-art techniques and parametric drafting software.

The program, sponsored by Henry Ford Community College and the Model T Automotive Heritage Complex, makes copies of Model T parts drawings available to area schools with the aim of eventually assembling a complete “virtual” Model T. “What the shop needs is front, top and right-side drawings for manufacturing. In para*metric, you design the part in 3D from the beginning, it’s flex*ible, you can make changes as you go in the sizes,” Ranks said, adding that the software will then create a two-dimensional drawing based on the three-di*mensional part. “It generates a 3D model ... They’re using state-of the-art techniques.”

The fully rendered three-di*mensional model created by the parametric software can then be used as the basis for a physical model part made via a stereo-lithography machine at the Warren Consolidated School District’s Career Tech Prep Center.

“I just e-mail him (teacher Jim Mandel) the parts, we e*mail the files to him, he puts them in the machine and a few hours later the part pops out a solid part,” Ranks said. “And that’s good for the students to be able to see that.”

So far, Ranks’ students have had prototype parts made of the crankshaft and reverse pedal of a Model T, based on their three-dimensional drawings which were based upon original blueprints nearly a century old in some cases. Creating parts using modern techniques from comparatively ancient automotive blueprints — there are few older in the industry — can be a bit daunting at times. For example, Ranks said the measurements are noted predominantly in fractions, not the decimal-places computers prefer. Fortunately, the teacher was able to enlist some expert help.

“We have the original prints from the Ford archives we’re working off of. When we run into the problem with the prints, because they’re all hand-drawn ... the guy from Motor City Antique Auto Supply, Sam Cipriano, he loans us the parts so the kids can see the actual parts.”

Presently, Ranks’ five third-year drafting students are working on drawings of a piston, connecting rod, rod cap and the various bolts and fasteners associated with those parts.

While pistons and crank-shafts have certainly evolved in the past century, Ranks said they’re more similar to Ford’s century-old components than not.

“They’re pretty much the same basic parts, although things are more engineered today I’d say,” Ranks said.


The SME has some forums relating to Stamping. I used to be very active in their Dies and Stamping Tech Group. You can look at the site at thois URL.

http://forums.sme.org/showthread.php?t=208

I collect information about automobile body stamping at my blog. I used to work at Twinsburg Stamping, a chrysler plant.

http://autobodymfg.blogspot.com/

I participate in a yahoogrops Stamping group.

http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/grou...ently-withRMS/


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Well there are a few new desktop systems coming out soon, that will be under $10k...they seem interesting to me...As far as replaceing sintering machines go...I dont think that will happen for a long time to come, the SLS and SLA methods are working great for RP across the board. Material selection and build size on somthing like the Viper Pro from 3d systems is freaking amazing, IMO it's the best system out to date. Speculating on the future is one thing, seeing what is available today is reality.
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Hi Coastal!

sorry, I didn't understand what you mean...
Do you think that new "low cost" 3D printers will substitute SLS and SLA machines?
I think that there are completely different markets and applications for hi-performance tech, like SLS and SLA, and 3D printers, that suit better concept models applications in my opinion. SLS and SLA have to go towards RManufacturing, while low cost machines will be perfect for architects and designers. Am i wrong?

Cheers, Livia
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I was actually trying to say the opposite, that I dont think the new technology coming out will by any means make current sls or sla technology obsolete. Like what bobsteele was saying about solutions that dont exist now, and may never come about making Sintering sound old-tech...Basically dont knock the current tech, its out and currently working...hmm, I dont think I'm explaining myself right. it's been a long day
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Great...I guess we are in tune...it has been a long long day for me too! and today will be even longer!

BTW, the real problem for service providers is that all machines prices are going down, therefore end-users are beginning to buy them and therefore beginning to "make" instead of "buy"...they also have enough skills now (sometime).
The only way to go is to make something more, something different...
And this will be a great problem for machine constructors too...because end users will always invest less money than service providers, RP not being their main job!
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Hi to everybody,

I'm enough agree with Livia about the actual RP Market situation, but anyway is also true that the experiences and know-how that have the big RP services that work from many years on the worldwide market, are really and still a critical chance to play well on this "crazy" market.

Again, the new big RP machines that in the last years has been launched on the RP market have some "little" defects, 1 of these is the long time to building.

What do you think about?

cheers.

Fede.
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You are right Fede! In fact I said "(sometime)"...

The big machines are slow and most of all expansive. Besides the cost of the machine, the real problem is how to load them. Even if they could work with composite materials (and so hi-perf materials) (and they don't) it would be really a high cost! And until they will not be safe, sure and really reliable...they will run only PA12 and therefore they will be almost useless...Large parts are useful for RManufaturing mainly…and what kind of RM you can do with PA12????
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